Dark Fluid Collective: Clip 5
In this conclusion to the interview, the artists remark on the idea of imagining a future for the space of Hong Kong. Discussing the possibility ( or lack thereof) for hope and change and the movement from writing one person towards a collective—and the implicit trust needed for such a collective.
Sci-fiSea LevelsClimate ChangeHong KongUrban RenewalConservation2046Water
Dr. Joanne Leow
Cattle Depot Artists Village, 63號 Ma Tau Kok Rd, To Kwa Wan, Hong Kong
Joanne Leow: I think I’m going to ask one more question, just to end with. This is so fascinating, thank-you guys I’m learning so much. It’s that last question, I know the writer is not necessarily supposed to be like a thought-reader or a visionary, but at the same time, you know, when we imagine other possibilities—being together, living together, and creating, producing different kinds of space, right, in Hong Kong, or in any city—what kinds…if you wanted to say something through that anthology, what kind of alternate vision of Hong Kong would you propose? I mean, not utopia, necessarily, right, like a no-place, but a kind of like a…grounded in the reality of Hong Kong in the moment, but thinking of, you know, the richness of a possible future, like, you know, aside from being sad and pessimistic about stuff (laughs). Is there one that…there’s that hope that you have? Angela’s like, no (laughs). 30:04 Angela Su: I don’t, I don’t. No. (laughing). Hope about the future. Joanne Leow: Or an alternate vision that… Angela Su: Actually, this is what we started out…imagine a future of Hong Kong. But we failed (laughing) doing that. We ended up talking about what’s happening now. So—but if you want to talk about any kind of hope, maybe, in the character and the story, because, like you said, the story is not really finished, it’s a short story, it could have been expanded. So I think the realization of the character, the central character, that—in what kind of situation he’s trapped in, I think that epiphany, it’s kind of a hint of maybe a hope, maybe? Because we don’t know what decision the character’s going to make. Angela Su: That’s okay. I just think that Hong Kong is so chaotic, and there’s, like, any kind of possibility or variables, so I think that kind of variables is maybe our hope, because we can never predict what’s going to happen. On the other hand, technology is saying that this is our future, you know, there’s just one singular possibility, but no. There should be a variety of things that can happen. 34:19 Cally Yu: But to me, I think quite a lot about trust these days, and also about the stories too, the trust between people. From one person to a collective, I think that trust is the glue there. But in Hong Kong, very interesting, from the history of…from the story of the elderly, their community are just very at home and organic, and they would dismiss certainty, and then they come together in certainty. That kind of organic…I don’t know, issue-based, I don’t know, they’re making and the disappear is so interesting to me, and not planted. And that kind of freedom and that kind of—actually, it’s kind of trust. So we…not kind of a born thing, not that kind of wild system, or that kind of wild kind of a life out there bondings, not that way. Kind of very here and there, the easy, that kind of easy collective, I’m very interested in that kind. And I think that is Hong Kong. 35:18 Joanne Leow: Yeah, like improvisation, spontaneity, right. Cally Yu: Yeah. Not necessary to be that kind of life-or-death things, yeah, but just okay, and then you go and then I welcome you come here, and that kind of makes sense, more makes sense in Hong Kong to me. And I’m thinking about this—because the elderly always told me something like that. They hate each other, actually. They sometimes hate each other. Because they’re so strong character, they hate each other all the time. But they know how to mix together and mingle together to do something. And then—okay, finish that thing, and then (sound). (laughing) 35:54 Cally Yu: But that is very useful as a kind of living style, as kind of a strategy in their everyday life, and very fascinating to me