Jordan Abel: The way I encounter that shoreline as a, I guess now-former resident of Vancouver, is in this way that often feels like it’s straight out of a postcard. There’s these moments that you have where you’re, like, walking along the sea wall, and you see everybody on the beach looking out onto the shore and into the sunset, and there are these really beautiful, picturesque spaces, but they’re also really complicated spaces. Whenever I think about oil and like oil spills, I’m always reminded of just how complicated the spaces actually are, geopolitically (laughs), and how disconnected, I think, we are from them in certain ways, you know, when we, when we interact with them. Yeah, does that make sense? (laughs) (0:53) Joanne Leow: Yeah, totally, because you’re thinking about the spectacle of it, and you’re engaging with it. Why not, because it’s beautiful. Jordan Abel: Totally, yeah. Joanne Leow: But at the same time, yeah, all the underlying kind of currents of power literally right there.